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User Generated Content, Forums and Account Deletion- Discussion Thread

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Since the introduction of GDPR and the concept of the "right to be forgotten", forum owners have faced some tricky issues around members wanting to delete their profiles. On this site, you can ask to be banned but you have no rights to anything you have posted as it is considered community content- a fair enough point of view, seeing as people have often replied to your threads and taken time to moderate your content etc.

There is a thread where people ask for their profiles and all data to be deleted, but they have no recourse should the site owner decide to refuse those requests. Let's look at what this means for all of us, and whether it's legal, fair or reasonable to continue this policy.

Firstly, lets look at the law. The GDPR requires that users have a way to delete their personal data. It specifically defines “personal data” in these terms:
‘personal data means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person"
Threads/posts in the forums, however, do not qualify as personal data so log as you don't identify yourself. If you have posted any personal data in the forums, then a moderator will quite happily remove that specific information on request.

So you have the right for personally identifiable information to be removed, but stuff you post can be anonymized and kept- it'd be chaos if a 700-reply thread was suddenly deleted because the originator deleted their profile.

Secondly let's look at the fair and reasonable aspect. Is it fair to have to ask a moderator, in an open thread, for their profile to be deleted? Probably not. Is it reasonable to allow people to delete their profiles, leaving only anonymous posts to keep the forum readable? Probably yes.

What do people think about the current terms of membership of this site? Would it be cool to have a "Delete my profile" option where all personal data was removed but posted content retained? Would you like more control over your User Generated Content on sites like this? Does the current set-up make you wary of posting anything that you know you can't delete?

This isn't Facebook obviously and some people post comments they later wish they hadn't. But on Facebook you can delete your whole profile, content and everything, should you so wish.

Would this site be better if you could change your mind after a post? The Moderators do a brilliant job and most of us are cool about the forum otherwise we wouldn't be here. We've all been dicks on the internet though and I wonder if people think there should be more options to manage and control what you post on here?

For example I'll probably think this is a stupid thread to have started in a few hours but people might reply and deleting it is a waste of their time.

Seeing people asking for their entire profile and data to be deleted is obviously important to them, so where do we find the balance between a functioning forum and allowing people to delete themselves (they might have real-world serious reasons with serious consequences?)

The right to be forgotten (if you're in the EU) means you can ask and expect all personally identifiable data held by any website (such as this) to be permanently deleted (cookies, IPs, logins, emails etc) but as long as profile posts are unable to be traced to a real person, they can stay.

Personally my ISP already knows way too much so it doesn't matter, but I think on here profile deletion should be allowed and any content simply re-named "deleted user". Media should also be deleted if requested.

Mods- I know you have your work cut out already but rules should evolve with the times, and data laws are only going to get tighter so getting ahead of the game can't hurt. Giving users more control to manage their content I think is a good thing. Many members only realize they can't delete their content when they really need to, and maybe making this very clear (even more than it is) might be enough.

Anyway just thought I'd open a thread about this sort of malarkey, in case anyone gets bored of the rest of the awesome content and stuff. x

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Deleting an account is an administrator function. Moderators can only ban an account.

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I would like to point out that in the deletion thread you are referencing, we jave pointed out MANY MANY DOZENS of times that we CAN NOT delete accounts only ban them but still people say delete my account...

If people pay as much attention to the content of your post as they do posts from the mods this may cause more issues than its intended to solve...

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A "ban" only stops an attempt to log into an account. Nothing else changes.
The administrator has decided to not honor requests for account deletion.
It's his show so it's basically a take it or leave it situation.

There is another simple do-it-yourself option: Just Stop Logging In.

In my younger years people fended for themselves. I know that's not as common today.
In the past if we didn't like the program we just changed the channel.

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f we didn't like the program we just changed the channel. Yep, that's what I did. :) This channel is in HD lol.

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Except it isn't a take it or leave it situation, is it? If the administrator "decides not to honor requests" from members, then such an inflexible and "it's my show, my rules" attitude stinks.

The administrator is required to honor data removal requests that fall under data protection laws. So no, "nothing else changes" is incorrect. Unless the administrator is looking to get fined and the site shut down.

If the administrator wants to run a community, then it might be an idea to listen to the concerns of the, you know, community.

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It is not my intention to confuse. But With so many people wanting something the administrator just doesn't feel like doing, I think that sucks. And the "if you don't like it, don't log in" attitude is dumb as well. We do like it, we just want reasonable account deletion requests to be honored. Data removal requests by individuals such as personally identifiable material MUST be removed on request. That's the law, not my opinion. Any community forum surely wants to cater to the community.

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If you dont like the way tge administrator administrates the sire HE pays for then no-one is forcing you to stay, and the veiled threats in your last comment wont ingratiate you with the staff or many of the members...

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You have completely taken my post the wrong way. It's not a veiled threat, I'm backing up my point. I don't like the way the administrator runs the site ONLY in regards to deletion requests. The rest of it is great, hence me being, and staying, a member. I don't come here to ingratiate myself with anyone, and the suggestion that my comments might put me on the naughty step could also be taken as a veiled threat. But it isn't, and neither was my comment- why would I make veiled threats? The real threat is from non-compliance with the law. No veils there- just google it.

I could, if i decided, never log in again and my life would be no different for it. But I like this community and I respect the moderators, but if complaints are treated with "just leave then" that would be the sign of a petty little club, not a community.

Community means mutual respect. If you're saying, that if I disagree with the administrator then I'm not welcome here, that's a bit more like a cult than a community. Perhaps the man himself could chip in and explain clearly what happens when people request to have their accounts deleted. Simply banning them from logging in isn't really deleting anything, is it? Which, as I've said, is unlawful with respect to PID.

I apologize genuinely and sincerely if I've posted in a way that seems shitty or that I'm invoking veiled threats- I'm not. But all it takes is for one person to request deletion, and for their data to NOT be deleted, and they complain to the data regulator- that means deep shit. Everyone knows that. IF I ever decide to quit as a member then I'd expect my data deletion request to be honored, as would anybody. The administrator has a long list of membership rules, and likewise the regulator has a similarly long list of regulations. It's to protect both users and site owners. Paying for the site himself is no excuse to ignore the way personal data is handled here. What's the point of being a member of ANY community if you can't speak up without fear of retribution? None. It was a moderator who suggested I start this thread to take the debate away from the "please delete my profile" thread. (a long thread indeed,, illustrating the problem perfectly)

As I suspected at the start, this thread was a mistake to begin with. If I can't raise a concern without being warned that I may not be popular among staff and members, then you might as well all go home.

Ignore my concern by all means, but don't threaten me with shunning, and if your only answer is "If you don't like it leave" then you don't understand the issue, and the veil of "community" begins to slip. If there's any ingratiating to be done, then it's by this website to it's members.

You're right, of course- I could leave. You'd be amazed though at how quickly people would notice what happens to people who pipe up about a problem. Your community quickly becomes a worried group of individuals and the whole show falls over. People begin to look out for themselves. Data Deletion Confirmation letters start piling up. The regulator starts to scrutinize every server and every user and no amount of embedded porn site link fees will cover the fines. So- Spacefucker community? Members valued? Sense of belonging? So far yes.

I want as much as you do to keep it that way.

Now- back to the New Media section :)

Отредактировано Sex (2020-08-19 18:22:43)

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The GDPR does apply outside Europe
The whole point of the GDPR is to protect data belonging to EU citizens and residents. The law, therefore, applies to organizations that handle such data whether they are EU-based organizations or not, known as “extra-territorial effect.”
The GDPR spells out in Article 3 the territorial scope of the law:

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Well it seems like you are Partially familiar with the laws in the UK but this site isn't hosted there.

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